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The opening scene with Georgie losing the paper boat that Bill made for him. This is the scene that really sells every version of this story, whether it’s the novel, the miniseries, or the modern iteration. The main difference here is that Muschietti leans into the “hard-R” when Georgie’s arm is graphically ripped off by Pennywise.

Pennywise isn’t the only danger in IT. Henry Bowers and his gang torment the group of friends on the regular throughout the film. And torment is putting it lightly. Henry doesn’t just bully them, he tortures them. In another scene that shows the commitment of making the film a heavy into the paint of an R-rating, Henry deeply carves his initials into poor Ben’s stomach.

All of a sudden, the gimmicky side kicks obsessed with fire or belching seems strangely out of place. But, come on, who doesn’t like a character named Belch?

The Losers Club Fears

Throughout IT, there are scenes that show the different fears of the Losers Club.

• Bill’s fear of actually accepting that his brother Georgie is dead.
• Mike’s fear of burning alive like his parents
• Stanley’s fear of a creepy painting

• Ben’s fear of the headless kid he discovered during researching the town’s history.
• Bev’s fear of the sink
• Eddie’s fear of germs / Lepers
• Richie’s fear of clowns

Some of these work better than others. Stanley’s creepy painting feels like it is straight out of The Conjuring. Wait… It is taken straight out of the Conjuring.

Richie’s fear of clowns also felt very tacked on. It seemed like an excuse to include a room full of clowns.

Ben’s fear also felt kind of tacked on, but at least it made sense in the moment. As he was researching about the town’s past tragedies, he notices a decapitated head in a tree.

Can we also just take a moment to point out how shitty the librarian is for encouraging Ben to stop studying and go play with friends?

The Ending of IT 2017 Explained

The ending of the film is very satisfying. The children realize that Pennywise has no power over them as long as they aren’t scared of him and realize that everything he throws at them is an illusion.

As Pennywise’s power is sapped from him, they proceed to kick his ass and free all the children that are floating in his lair. Unfortunately, they all seem to be already dead.

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Also, our good friend David Day has a podcast on the side called the Positive A cast. This is a short daily podcast where I just tried to inject your day with some you know, some good feelings and rights groups, retreats, talking about making people feel good, talking about making yourself feel good. And just generally, you know, getting your day started off for ended off, right? So and it’s actually it’s been doing pretty good since the Rice Krispie treat debacle. Things have been picking up quite a bit so again today we’re gonna be talking about it. The movie from 2017. We’re going to start out by giving a brief review and our score for the film. We scored on a scale of 1 to 10 1 being miserable and ah, 10 being so good at transcends genre boundaries. And five just being a completely average film that hits all the expected marks. Yeah, you guys know how one through 10 works after we give the score will get into spoilers and take a deeper dive into what we like and hated about the film. And then later we’ll be doing perennial favorite bit tagline haggling. Hey, um you know, uh, we kind of I wanted to do another round of horror or porno, which is probably my favorite bit that we’ve ever done from our last episode, but it might be like to. Well, first of all, I didn’t have enough time to prepare for it. Because we’ve spent It’s a very, very, very useful time watching the miniseries from 1990. So it was worth it. And ah, but also having it back to back, You know, we don’t want to fatigue. Well, I mean, that’s like a special. That’s a special game, you know, though, I do it next time, you know, But that ready That last episode that we released, ready or not is I mean, so we’re recording this, you know, obviously, before you’re listening to this, we don’t do this list. Isn’t life? I thought this was radio. 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No, it we have to emphasize it s episode. It was good, right? Just like on the miniseries in the nineties miniseries. They really hit that it hard. Yeah, by the way. It’s like I said earlier. Defeat it. Like Bryce said earlier, we we just got done last night watching the longest fucking movie of I’ve ever seen ever. Well, it’s supposed to be watched in two parts, which we actually kind of did. But the miniseries from from 90 and we’re gonna be releasing an episode where we go over that dredge, um, for our patri on members and man, that that thing is just packed full of nostalgia. And I mean, that thing is, that thing is the thing that movie studios tap into when they’re like, we gotta make stranger thing, pull out the footage. Yeah. Okay. So, uh, here’s the trailer for it. 2017 near kid universes rolls around. You think that you’ll always be protected and cared for, Then one day, you realize that’s not sure. Because we near alone as a kid monster. See you is weaker. You don’t even know they’re getting closer until it’s too late. Yeah. Did you get my grandfather thinks this town is cursed. That all the bad things that happened in this town because of one thing and evil thing. So is he looking with me two? I saw something. Clown. Yeah, I saw him too. What happens when another torch goes missing one of us? We’re just gonna pretend it isn’t happening Like everyone else in this town. If we stick together Wait. Yeah, but yeah, flow. So it is available to rent on Amazon prime. That’s where we watched it. It’s also in YouTube and probably other places. Probably, you know where you get movies. It 2017 is a total rip off of stranger things. It features a group of boys in the eighties who discover a young girl with the special power to give them boners. Actually, 2017 is based on the Stephen King novel It. The film follows the Losers Club, which is a motley crew of six young boys and a girl who find themselves haunted. Bye Pennywise, the dancing clown played by a Bill scars guard, Pennywise is very literally dread incarnate and torments the group of kids with their worst fears. Upon research, the group finds out that Pennywise has been tormenting and killing children for millennia. The film tackles the source material admirably. It’s hard to capture on screen the concept of the monster being fear itself. That’s kind of the idea that Stephen King was going for just that feeling of. I think the opening sequence is the best illustration of that of Georgie going down a dark stairway into the basement to get something. Yeah, because I think that’s like a universal fear. Yes, that everyone experiences in childhood where you don’t know what you’re scared of. But it’s there. But whatever it’s going to get you, it’s like whenever you whenever you think it’s gonna get me What what is that? And that’s what Stephen King is trying to use as the monster in it. Yeah, Irrational fear. All right, Um, so the film, that’s pretty good of capturing that idea. You get a feeling of dread throughout. It remains one of the best coming of age stories, second only to King’s other adaption. Stand by me. I mean, I think it’s you know, I mean, there’s several that have done done it. Now it’s it’s hard to think of one. I mean, they think one better than stand by me is like the pinnacle obvious like I can. But that was that was the whole purpose of that, right? Where is that? This is not necessary so much. This is That is a nice sidebar in it. I’m glad to watch its watch this film again, because my first viewing was so colored by my nostalgia for the 1990 miniseries starring Tim Curry. And while I do like the direction of the Pennywise character a little better in the miniseries. I think that the overall IT 2017 is a superior film. We watched the miniseries to be able to compare it, and, ah, to to this film and the upcoming sequel that’s coming out next week. Yeah, for us. And ah, I don’t know what to tell you. It does not hold up the miniseries. No, there’s there’s some great ideas and there is some still impactful scenes and and visuals. But it doesn’t hold up in terms of like a film for a lot of reasons, though, right? I mean, it’s not easy. It’s not fair to compare either the production value and it’s a TV show. It’s got every excuse in the world to be just awful, just very, very bad. And it’s not. It just doesn’t hold up very well. It was a miniseries made for TV in 1987 that released in 1990 and so and we’re watching it. I understood why it it impacted me, impacted me so much when I was, I guess I was eight. Yeah, and ah, that’s just that’s just prime time for being impressionable and like, wowed by anything. Yeah, but anyways, it is definitely, Ah, better film, mostly because it’s, you know, great production value, but also because it’s a hard R. Yeah, yeah, a really hard arm. Yeah. Ah, 2017 is one of the best mainstream general audience horror films that’s come out in the last decade. Oh, easily, and the the box office numbers show that it’s it’s still the highest grossing horror film of all time. That doesn’t surprise me one bit. Ah, director Andy Mu Shu knew she Eddie keeps most of the dread from the source material and includes some modern production and jump scares to appeal to fans of the conjuring universe, which I’m not always a huge fan of. But it was. It was upon second viewing. It wasn’t as agree, just as I remember it. It was kind of sprinkled throughout its not, ah, 100% jump scares. Overall, I really liked it. I liked it even more the second time. Watching it, I give it a score of eight at a 10. I think that’s the score that I expected from you, if not a little lower, even like just Ah, knowing, uh you and how you work. Um, but for me, this this was such a it was like it was like a signal that horror was back, like, not just back, but like big, you know, like this. Like they’re so there was so much about the release of this film that just ended up like delighting me because it was like, everybody was excited for this. It was like, remember it Because because And we’ve been discussing this coming up t this to this moment and you know it the book waas I mean, probably still is the biggest horror novel ever. Yeah, it was a huge phenomenon. Yes, and I think the only one that rivals it is this the shining right? Yeah, but but doesn’t even like it is. One of those is one of those titles. And one of those you have the image of the the book seared into your into your memory because it was everywhere. It was in everyone’s house. Everybody was interested in whatever this weird thing was, and ah, and so it was a phenomenon back then, And this movie tapped right back into that and got all those people re excited about all this stuff. And so it was. And then the movie itself was so much fun for me and went so hard in the paint on the rial, disturbing, um, content that that you would hope it would write It didn’t it? Didn’t shy away from anything. Well, it shied away from something, right that no. One. It’s my understanding, though, that that that that stuff that really blew stuff may be present in the second installment. Yeah, I guess we won’t go into spoilers of the novel, but we’ll talk about in a spoiler section. But there’s if you read Stephen King. You know, he is kind of a weird sex pervert. There’s always a weird sexual element. There are, like, some subtle, I mean, maybe not to settle. There’s there’s some sexual kind of content, and and, uh, in this film, but not what’s in the novel. You know, a lot of illusion, allusion, illusions off, you know? Yeah, touching kids and weird shit and ring. Ah, but But it adds that really unstable feeling terror element to to the movie. And I think for me, I think this is ah nine. And when it was released, it was probably 10. Well, how do you go down? Because it is not a fun movie to necessarily to rewatch for May I know this was a really great movie on first viewing, like it’s just doesn’t have very much replay value for me. Um, and I realized that even in the theater as I was watching, it was like, There’s not gonna be a second time for this because it is a jump scare factory and all the things that worked really well for me were those were those big, horrifying jump scares. Yeah. No, I mean, I think I think nine is fair, but I don’t know. I understand that, like most people would read rate this like a nine out of 10. But for some reason, it just It just doesn’t make it there for me. Yeah, I know. 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But even with that and with this being a shorter month and last month in terms of how many episodes we released, we’re still almost common amount of downloads that we had last month, which is huge. So thank you. So thank you again. So, yeah, let’s talk about it. What about it? Let’s talk about it, baby. Okay, Talk about you and me. Let’s talk about all the bad clams. S o. The opening scene of it is probably the strongest of the movie, and it’s really what sells the whole story. And it’s surprisingly consistent between the book, the miniseries and this movie. But as it works its work so well, he actually does. Here’s ah, here’s a clip of Pennywise and his introduction here is it. Here we go. Hi, Georgie. What a nice you want it? Please look like a nice boy. But you have a lot of friends. Three of my brothers. My best. Where’s sick? Could you come up? I don’t give a about You want to join? I’m not supposed to take stuff from strangers. Oh, well, I’m penny wise and allow. Ready wife George. Georgie, meet penalize way on strangers. And then here’s since I pulled it. Here’s the Ah, 1990 version for comparison. Hi, Georgie. You’re going to say hello. Oh, come on. Don’t you want a very wise of your dad, Georgie? Every wyszynski I joined Pennywise dancing around you are, Georgie. So now we know each other. Yes. Yeah. So I guess the set up. If you don’t, you’ve never seen it or read it. So have you been hiding in a drain somewhere? Eso this scene? It has Georgie going to his brother. Bill. Right. Star start. Bill us a bill and it’s raining outside and he asks them to make a paper boat for him to play with. And so Bill’s kind of sick. And then Georgie goes down to get some wax to paint the boat or whatever. So it’ll float, and that’s that’s the great scene to where it kind of sets up the concept of it’s going to get you. And so he’s scared of the dark, and then it goes out and starts floating the boat, and it flows down a a dark storm drain. And then inside the drain is this clown just like, Hey, whoa, what’s that clown doing in that drain? And so Pennywise introduces himself and see. This is why it’s so great, because, I mean, it’s it’s hard to like explain why it works so good. But it were having a clown inside a storm drain. If you’re a little kid, yes, like the logic of it, like somehow makes sense. But you also know that it’s wrong. Yes, there’s there’s a little standoffishness because, well, wait a minute. There’s a man in the drain, but it’s a clown like that s so that’s like something that’s weird but also something that’s good. And so you put those together, and that’s how little kid logic works right? It’s like it’s like how your kid walks up to you and is like my name’s pinky purple and you’re like, Yeah, okay. And then they’re happy with that. They’re just like they’re like, they take you going. All right, whatever on there like, ah, validation you like That’s the least satisfying validation ever. But they’re just looking for the surface level. And so that’s how the clown in the drain work sucks, cause it It’s like it is off putting. But also, it’s a cliff. Yeah, that it explores several things about the relationship between children and adults in terms of their fears. Yeah, and the danger that they face first is adults just generally don’t care. Like That’s a theme that’s really exploring this film, that part of the the supernatural occurrences that the adults in this town turned a blind eye to all these children missing and getting murdered. Just they are abnormally ambivalent about it. And there’s something about that toe where you could relate to if you remember back as a kid, where real shit is happening in your life and no adult cares or understands what’s going on because it can’t be that bad. Their kids, yes, and then the other aspect is that adults are actually dangerous, right that an adult in a clown costume could actually be wanting to kill you. Yeah, Or, you know, someone could want to rape you or, you know, not have your best interests at heart even though they’re an adult and you’re kind of beholden to them. Yeah, So there’s lots of, like, really cool areas that the story explores in terms of these severe and childhood and the relationships between children and adults. And, um, it’s really great. All of those are things that Stephen King is seemingly just very obsessed with. Yeah, or at least he was in his early career. Yeah, So Pennywise introduced. And it’s just such a great like men. The scars, scars guard is so perfect for this. Hey, he just he just plays it just dead on the voice of the dead stare, the drool that’s dripping out of its huge lip. Yeah, see, here’s Here’s where we might diverge because I actually do like Tim Curry’s Pennywise. I love Curries. Um, I and it’s it’s not very different, especially watching them back to back. I realized that that Curry’s Pennywise is actually still super menacing. Yeah, when he’s talking to the kids because I remember it being kind of like just a clown, you know, just like he’s a goofy ass clown. Yeah, but something’s off because he’s in a storm train. But in reality, Curries voice is still really menacing. He has Pennywise talking to the kids, and so it’s I was kind of latched onto the voice with Bill Sparks Bill Scars guard like I thought it was too scary how you played the clown, but it’s actually pretty similar, and I think he he did do a really good job when I watched the second time. But the thing that’s missing from it 2017 is there’s no real moments where Pennywise is being just a clown, right in the miniseries there is it’s a couple moment, that intro, the setup, the intro that you played. He is being kind of just a clown, right, But But after that, almost almost never, right. Like in the in the miniseries usually sets up some of the more menacing Pennywise scenes with him just being a clown, like just being kind of a goofy like plane with noisemakers and oh, damn, I forgot to pull that cliff wait, get, um, plane with like noisemakers and like Talyn really shitty Chuck’s. But also, you know, making balloons filled with blood pop in your face. Yeah, and, you know, monsters, hands grabbing at you kind of thing, Which, to me makes it more terrifying because it’s this. There’s something scary about a really goofy clown coming after you versus a scary clown that it’s made to be scary, you know, going back to ah, Thio scars Guard versus Curry. I think I think I prefer scars. Guard, Um, they’re both great. They’re both. I mean, it’s it’s hard to compare them, really, and it’s just a matter of taste, I think. What? Ah, what bothers me a little bit about the Curry clown is first of all, he’s perfect to play the clown, right? Because he’s he’s he’s got that face that’s just kind of carny ask, you know, like two big Yeah, it’s too big, It’s tired looking. It’s it’s just it’s ah, 55 year old smoker who’s been smoking since he seven, right? And, um, but simultaneously, it’s not a good pick because it’s Tim fucking Curry, and it’s It’s like, you know, it’s just one of those guys who is so universally known for his for who he is that that it kind of brings me out of it a little bit. I just go. That’s Tim Curry. That’s Tim Curry. Every time ago, though. Look, there’s Tim Curry right there. Yeah, I mean, I think the for me it’s the voice his voice is Penny wise is can go from just goofy to Superman. Insane? Very easily. Yeah, And but in Scar’s guard, I was so shocked at how well he was able to portray just the most evil and menacing clown ever. Just like if you want a scary goddamn clown. He is it. Yeah, no pun intended. Yeah, Bill scars. Guard is is great in a in the that trivia talks about how he researched different cycle. So you looked at Norman Bates and, um, the shining What’s his name from the Shining? Yeah. Yeah, and, ah, Clockwork orange. Just all these. I mean, sounds like mostly Stanley Kubrick psycho films. So really like, you know, looking up through your eyebrows kind of thing. Yeah. So that’s like the major Stanley Kubrick signal of evil. Um, but it’s great. So the major way that this film divulge is from the miniseries ever is the divulge. It diverges, And here it is that it’s a hard R. And it is genuinely shocking when Georgie Arms gets ripped fucking clean off. Yeah, it sets the tone for the whole movie. It just It just goes, Oh, we’re going for it. We’re doing this. Yeah, we’re mutilating little kids, right? And it’s adorable little kid. Oh, man, he’s He’s even cuter than the Georgie from the original right, Which is also very cute. I mean, they’re both really cute little child actors. So Georgie’s arms get ripped off, and then the cat on the porch gives the same reaction that I have. Just like, Whoa, What the fuck? Hey. Well, what happened? Um, my question to you. So is this the best child cast ever? Yeah. Yeah, it is. I mean, aside from from, maybe, ah, what’s that? Stephen King stand by me. I mean, that might be that might be a little better. River Phoenix, and yeah, I don’t even know. I bet if we watched that, then we could realize some of the stout nostalgia. Yeah, Maybe he might be affecting that, like a horse without memories with me. Yeah, I mean, it’s it might be the best child cast like it’s surprising how, how good, it’s really strong. In fact, it’s It’s why stranger things work so well, right? You know, it’s just a perfectly cast kid lineup. And there’s there’s one that’s in both right. The master warn Richie. Yeah, I don’t know if he’s the best one from From stranger Things. He definitely is. And in this movie, in my opinion, I don’t know. I think I think I liked Eddie and ah and Bill a little better in this film. Yeah. I mean, they’re all so good. Yeah, they’re all they’re all good, but yeah, I mean, even even like, what? I just finished the third season of stranger things, and it’s already like there. I haven’t even bothered. They’ve They’ve met their limit. It’s like they’re getting annoying. And there, there, their bag of tricks is pretty limited. Yes, that age. Yet for some reason, with this film, they really found, like, a really good mix of kids that they could pull it off. Yeah, and the bullies in this are perfect. Yeah. I mean, they’re definitely bullies being bullies. Yeah, um, they’re the meanest fucking bullies in the entire world. Yeah, I mean, that’s that is the difference between, you know, generic bullies and the gang of Henry with his last name. Winkler. Henry Winkler. So Henry is like the main bully, and he’s got a gang of friends that have their own gimmicks. Apparently. So there’s the guy that belches l just names belch, and there’s the guy that likes fire. Uh, but Henry is a prodigy, genuinely terrifying in this film in particular because he is really a psychopath. Yeah, he’s convincingly a psychopath. He’s clearly a kid that who has been, I mean, what a great actor like they went to him and they were like, Your dad beats the shit out of out of you every night. Okay, go. And that’s the kid who he portrays, a kid who is just savagely beaten by his by his cop father and who’s told he’s worthless. And just that shit rolls right downhill to all the other kids in school. Yeah, and there’s also some mean girls that urn like the opening of the film, but that never appear again. Yeah, that’s right. That felt kinda tacked on pelican mean girls. But It was just like people are mean to Bev to Yeah. I don’t know if you have to, Like, put that in the film because I think it’s bad enough that she’s kind of rape fire Father. Yeah, all the time. I mean, that’s enough. But also, slut shaming. Yeah, but also slut Shaming. That’s right. I guess that’s the purpose of those mean girls, too. Accuser being a slip. Yeah, but I mean, it works it all. It all set it up perfectly to be thio. Have you feel real empathy for these for these kids to really feel like. Okay, now you’re part of the losers club, you know? Yeah, the the Henry Gang. Think the torments the losers club is really great. And And how they set up him displaying his psychopathy. Yeah, it is great that he attacks Ben the fat kid and let me say great casting for the fat kid sometimes. I mean, I was a fat kid growing up, So when they cast fat kids and they’re just kind of chubby, you like Chunk from it just made me feel miserable, like, Oh, everyone’s ridiculing the kid. That’s like, kind of a little overweight. Just I’m like, actually fat price. You’re not fat, You’re husky. I hated that Maur I that made me feel worse than if my mom was just like, Look at you, fat fucking slob. If she said look at you, fat fucking slob, I’d have felt better than if she was like, No, you’re just husky. Oh, that was my kryptonite. Yeah, Yeah, I really identified with Ben in this in this film is like, you know, when he takes off his shirt, it’s like, Yeah, he’s a fat kid. Yeah, and Ah, and this is another. But this is like, the second portion of the movie that where the the gang is quote unquote picking on on Ben when in reality, they’re fucking carving their name into his stomach. And this is another signal where it’s like, Jesus Christ, this movie is not fucking around at all. What is happening and sorry about that. And the it is just so shocking and also kind of believable. You’re like, Yeah, this could happen. I remember being a kid. There were fucking really tense moments. Where if there is, if there is an actual psychopath. When I was growing up, Yeah, I could I could envision being having initials carved into my stomach. I remember. I remember moments and I can’t even, like, pull them out if singularly. But I definitely remember moments where I was like, Things are super serious right now and my life might be in danger, like, you know, and this is that feeling of things are very bad. And and then the car rolls by as thieves. Kids, We’re cutting him up. Yeah, and, uh, cutting it. Carving his name Henry into India and seeking full H. And it’s like, not not like scrapes. It’s really gonna need stitches. Got cutting into him hard, and ah, then it kicks him and and falls down the hill, which is probably the more frightening thing. And then he screams, I’m gonna cut your fucking tits off. Good God! And this So basically all that to say This movie fucks life, it fucks Yeah, it’s it’s really great. And ah oh, I forgot to pick Play my my clips of belch Oh yeah Play Belge So here’s I love the idea that there’s a character named Belch. His whole purpose is just to belt Yeah, he’s He’s the Belcher. And I almost wish they did it. Maur if it was just more ridiculous if it was literally that’s all he did was belching people. I think you’re on to something I want. I want this character to exist. Uh, wow. Yeah, that was Bravo. Yugo. Here’s belt from it. 2017. Almost like just in the room. Got better than that. Come on. And then here is just for comparison sake Since I pulled it. Here’s Ah, 1990 belch 90 belches 90 wages Way better wait. And also use my boy more goofy in that miniseries. Um, so, yeah, in this film that the Henry Gang is it’s basically, like Biff Tannins Gang and get back to the future, but way more menacing. Yeah, Yeah, it is like if tenants can. You ever thought about that? Um okay, so then we go to Bill, who’s the brother of Georgie that got his arm ripped off and Bill goes back to his house and his dad’s in the garage. And, like, Bill, what is the ship? Yeah. Oh, yeah. And he’s got all his habit trail set up. And Bill is showing his theory of where Georgie is or where he could have gone. Bill misses his little brother terribly. And as and as a way of coping with it, he’s trying to strategize to find his little brother in the sewer system. Yeah, and, ah, his dad is really sick of his shit spent this? God damn it. George is dead. But if the storm swept St George Ian, we should have a car. He’s dead. Jesus. Which isn’t, You know, it’s not too ah sympathetic for your son that that lost. Well, he just lost his son. He’s going through a hard time too. He doesn’t know how to react. This is But more importantly, where am I supposed to put my habit trail? You guys want to see a hilariously fun movie? Check out the evil within its free on Amazon prime. Yeah, we have an episode of very, very early. I think that’s like 1\/3 or wait. Is that the one that we held off forever? Yeah, it’s like that. No, no, no, that was Ah, we held off. It’s like seven or eight. The evil will never within Yeah, the evil within is very early episode. So I just pulling that clip. Watching some of it’s a great dialogue is just so it’s literally feels like the room. Yeah, it’s very strong. It’s a horror movie. It’s very odd. It’s free. It needs more attention. It does need more attention. You all need to go to Amazon and watch the evil within. It’s a It’s a is a strange gem of a bad, very good bad horror movie that you all should check out. Ah, you know. So, yeah, Bill’s dad is sick of a shit. Is another adult That’s just like there’s There’s nothing going on. Just let let things lie as they are very one dimensional, you know? But I think that brings up a good point because that that clip featured bills stutter, huh? Ah, pretty, pretty heavily. And ah, I thinkit’s think were woke enough to the point where I think we need to start asking, Should that role have gone to someone with a real stutter? Um, those people do exist and they need rolls, too. So why did you get an actor to do it, right? Well, why not get I mean, why did you get somebody who doesn’t have a stutter to do a stutter. Those people need work, too, right? And why didn’t you give the role of Pennywise to someone with Parkinson’s or a real clown? Because every time he attacks, the camera is really shaky. Yeah, a real clown with Parkinson’s, right? Someone who has been a clown and identifies as a girl I I identify as a clown. I just knew bouffant it. There’s an excellent job of showing the different fears, um, of the different kids. So each kid basically gets their own little vignette of their fears. I think the miniseries and the book does a little better job of doing this. Some of the ones in this film are definitely tacked on to be just a generic jump scare yelling or a device that they they want to the scene in the film. So they made a fear around it right, and it lands like as a as a as a tool to scare. It does land. It’s just it’s just a throwaway. Yeah, or it’s just a little obvious what they’re trying to do. Great. So, Georgie is his fears great. Just the fear of the dark fear of just being a little kid and not understanding What’s going on, Bill? His fear of just losing Georgie and really wanting Georgy back and that being played on, Um, it’s great, Mike, the black kid in this one is haunted by the memory of his parents burning in a horrible fire which you wrote next to this. No, you said Matt. Yeah, it didn’t. You fucking monster. And kind of like, I don’t know, It just didn’t Didn’t work for me as much I think they wanted to do. Yeah, I mean, well, he wasn’t very flushed out as a character. Yeah, and so it was hard. I mean, but they took away a big part of his character from the original character. He’s He’s the guy that knows all about the town history. Like for some reason, he’s really into history and they injured in the miniseries in this one that’s been right. Yeah, And in the book, it’s It’s Mike as well that that knows all the town history and some, but they attribute all that toe Ben, and it’s the fat kid who knows history, not the which is fine. Um, and then let’s see. Ah, Stanley, he’s I got the fear that is the least good one, which is a creepy painting, and that and that they lean on the most. I feel like they’re like the creepy painting Lady is really working for us, and it’s like you think this is This is where they take it right out of the conjuring. I mean, this is literally like the nun from the conjuring. Yes, and they’re like, Well, this will work. Let’s let’s shove that in And it feels shoved in. Yeah, in the original one, is it Stanley? What was his fear? Stanley Waas. The He’s the funny Know Richie’s the funny kid, right? Well, no, not in the miniseries in 2017. Yeah, Ritchie’s fast talking and funny, but in the miniseries, he’s very diminutive and kept clean by his mother. No, that’s That’s Eddie, that Oh, I’m sorry. I’m sorry, Richie. Richie is Seth Green and the miniseries. Yeah, I’m sorry. So, Stanley, it’s kind of weird in this movie. He’s Jewish. They, like, lean onto the fact that he’s Jewish, and in the miniseries he’s a Boy Scout and leaned heavily on the fact that he’s a Boy Scout and I can’t remember which it is in the book. Are you talking about Seth Green? No, Stanley, we’re switching to We’re switching kids too fast here. Okay. In the miniseries. Do you remember the kid? That’s the boys. Yes, he is. Stanley. Yeah. In this film. Do you remember the kid that’s Jewish and has the scary painting coming after him? Yes, that Stanley. OK, OK, so I can’t remember what Stanley’s fear in the miniseries waas. Yeah, I don’t think it actually shows it. I think that’s the thing that they dio thing that comes after Oh, no, no, no, no. It was the skeleton. No, it was the mummy. Yeah, in the miniseries. Yeah. And this one. It was just a scary painting. Yeah, it just doesn’t land as well. Yeah. I mean, the mummy doesn’t blend really well either. Yeah. I mean, you see, that’s the thing with, like, having it around kids. It’s all it’s more convincing that they’re scared by lame things. Because if you remember what you were scared of as a kid, it was It was lame. Shit. It was like the mummy. It was like the wolf man. That’s why it’s why this movie works so well is because kids are scared of actual scary shit. Yeah, kids are scared of shit that lives in a closet. And now you’re like add nothing lives in the closet. But if something does live in the closet Holy shit, that’s scary. Like you’re scared of, like, financial like issues. And that’s not that’s not really scary. What if they made it? What if the sequel for for it If it Chapter two was just based on adult fears and it was just the personification of bills or the personification of not having enough money for retirement? I think that I think the way you Yeah, exactly. It’s or like a laying on your fears of your body. Just kind of slowly breaking down. Yeah, yeah, Like, out like I got And I woke up today I got a new wake My shoulder won’t ever stop hurting for the rest of my life. Well, this is it. This is how I go. That’s pretty much everything. Every time something happens in my body, that hurts. I’m just like Well, this is it. This is what my experiences from now on. Yeah, on the added to that Just Dad. Another thing onto my back um, so Ben’s thing is the headless kid coming after him from the He’s like researching the past of the of the town, and a big part of it is this explosion that happens on Easter Room, and there’s a headless kid that starts attacking him. And that’s another one. That’s just kind of tacked on because it also feels like something from a jump scare movie of Does a headless kid running after you with jiggly motion something Something to note in all this, the 2017. It was released in three D, and they leaned heavily on things running at the audience. There’s a lot of shit running and reaching and jumping toward the screen, and and so that is a theme here. And it’s why it’s why it worked really well on first viewing for me and then second time around, it was like, Oh, yeah, I forgot. There’s a movie is just a bunch of shit running at me. Yeah, but while you were watching that shit in the theater is like, Oh, God, Oh, golly, I gotta run away like it was panic inducing. Um, the last one that feels kinda tacked on is Richie He just says in this film that he’s afraid of clowns. And Richie is kind of the the wisecracker of the group, and he says he’s afraid of clowns, and the whole purpose of that is so that he can get trapped in a room full of clowns. It’s like, all right. They wanted a room full of clowns, and so they gave him a fear of clowns is very obvious in the in the original. He’s the one that’s scared of the wolf man, which I get. It doesn’t work that great, but it’s the same thing. Clowns, wolf, man. That’s the same thing. The ones that do work is Ah, Eddie. He’s afraid of germs. He’s the one that’s, like, really doted on by his mom. That’s kind of Ah, Munchausen by proxy Mom and his penny wise. Or it attacks him with a leper. Yeah, like a like a dude with the big club foot and missing the nose is missing a nose, and he’s just hacking up goop all the time. And he’s got a pill for ready to swallow. And he’s constantly like swallow Bill, just like Jesus Christ, Please, no. And then Bev, the the girl. Hers isn’t necessarily rich off a fear. What? I don’t know, Addy. I’m sorry. That was Eddie. Yeah, the terms. And then Bev the girl has probably the best sequence, but it isn’t necessarily attached to a fear. It’s more of like this is a pretty awesome sequence to do. Which is the blood coming out of the sink? Yeah, she hears the voices in the sink, and then all of a sudden, the blood comes out and, um, I don’t know. You could say that this is a little over the top because it’s literally. Every crevice of the bathroom is covered with blood. It’s crazy, like everywhere. Like underneath. It’s like someone took a power washer and with blood and just sprayed everything and got every nook and cranny. There’s no if you’re like a blood splatter analyst like you would not be able to identify where the source of the blood came from. Yeah, remember evil dead too. Or where he shoots the wall and then that little drip of blood comes out. And then it’s a fire hydrant of blood or or similar scene nightmare on Elm Street. In the original. With them, right the bed that sucks him down. But even then, like, it doesn’t cover the entire room. And like underneath the bed? Yeah, yeah, it’s a It’s a full blown Rob Zombie scene, which is kind of weird. Like the set decorator probably went a little overboard on it. Great does. In the in the scene she’s talking about her dad is like, What’s wrong? It’s like the sink. And it’s like, Well, I mean, even pointing at the sink is kind of like, No, it’s everywhere. Just say the everything look anywhere in the bathroom is covered in blood. You see how the bath you remember? What the Do you remember? What color the walls in the bathroom. Where? How? Things were different colors in the bathroom. They I mean, maybe you don’t remember the exact color, but it wasn’t blood, right? It wasn’t like blood red. Yeah, and it’s also the most effective demonstration of parents. Just not seeing anything that the kids see. And then also her her fears just, you know, getting raped by your dad. Reasonable fear. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if if that’s what your dad does. Very reasonable. Yeah. Ah, super creepy. Okay. What else should we talk about? Let’s talk about this little bit librarian, librarian, librarian. So Ben is really into reading books after and researching, and the librarian comes up to him handsome a book, and she’s Her whole attitude is like Why you reading so many books is she is the worst librarian ever. Like she first of all, she’s cast very well. She just written poorly because she’s this old doting lady who you would expect to be in the library in is she is your classic, uh, you know that she is a library in looking lady. She comes up to him, she gives him a book and she’s like, in school over. He’s like, Yeah, she’s like, Why reading somebody books? Shouldn’t you be outside? Kids were supposed to, And then she goes on to lecture him. About what? About not going to the library. Don’t you have any friends like you? Like the summer is for being outside like not reading books about the history of the city were in idiot. Okay, And then she walks away. She’s like, Fuck you, Here’s a clip. I found it. Isn’t it summer vacation? I would think you’d be ready to take a break from the books. I like it in here. The boy should be spending a summer outside with friends. Don’t you have any friends? I have the book now, bitch. Fuck you. Yeah, that was that was a great, like just I think in the book, the Librarian just is really concerned for for Ben, which makes a lot more sense. Yeah, like he’s in there every day kind of thing. So she knows him and she wishes that he had more friends, but she keeps it to herself. She doesn’t like Hey, go outside, fatty man. It would have been great if if she had gone into, like, a lecture about how fat Iwas she’s like, you know, You think e mean? Yes, this is This is definitely a better film. There are some things that I want to point out that are better in the miniseries in terms of, like structure. Maybe we should save that for the miniseries. No, we’ll talk about it too, but okay. But basically how they get introduced in the miniseries is more convincing and closer to the book, which is it happens much more organically like and the reason why they meet feels very much more like a kid activity that other kids would be into, which is mainly building a dam. Yeah, yeah, which is activity that I think every kid has done down in the Baron’s going down in the water run off area and being, like, get lots of sticks and mud and stones here. It’s building. Damn, damn! And so they kind of start doing that. And there’s new ones that kind of get introduced because that water runoff areas kind of a natural area to run away from police. Yeah. Ah, And in this movie, they just kind of all know each other. Yeah, already. The only ones that get introduced our our Ben, Bev and Mike. Yeah, but they get introduced in decent ways, like Ben gets introduced cause they hear him getting beaten up right now. And then they run. They’re like, Well, we can’t just let somebody just beat on some kid. So they go down there to help him, and then right when they dio Yeah, I mean, I guess the purpose for all I know, That wasn’t Ben. That was the black kid. Yeah. Mike Mike. Yeah, It just felt it felt less organic. It was fine. It just felt not as as relatable. Right? Maybe I’m jacking prices. Ah, has way too much nostalgia for the 1st 1 and it shows right now. Okay. One of the great things about this group of kids is the joking banter throughout. Very convincing. More so than the miniseries. Much more because they because the miniseries had their hands died, I’m sure like you can’t put a lot of this stuff on TV. Whereas you could definitely fit it into an R movie. Yeah. Here’s, um, Eddie going off about gray water. Our teacher is coming in square water. What the hell’s going on? One. It’s basically piss and shit. So I’m just telling you, guys are splashed around and millions of gallons of dairy. So what? Are you serious? My cock up Policing. You okay? I can smell that from here. Forward Is your breath walking back into your face? Yeah, it’s great. Probably just your breath wafting back into your thing. Lots of your mom jokes. And, like talking about each other’s mom’s pussies and stuff like it feels much more real. What the shit that kids would talk about isn’t that weird. That that’s like that is that’s what feels Really? Yeah, I’m talking about your mom’s busy. That’s why that’s why South Park works, because kids are foul mouth. Oh, man, are they ever? But it’s just so strange that, like that is the truth, probably throughout all of history is like, No, it doesn’t make sense for it to be like cute banter. It makes sense for it to be your mom’s pussy. Like throughout human history kid banter is that, um, I think we’ve s o. I mean, they’re they’re all grouped together, and they’ll figure out that they’re all tormented by the same clown Pennywise, and they bond over that. And then they all decide to get to the bottom of it and get rid of this clown. However they can. And they kind of latch on pretty early that the Pennywise only has power. If they’re afraid of him, right, he’s He’s less powerful if you I know that it’s just a figment of your imagination. Very much of John F. Kennedy, the only on to fear is fear itself kind of thing, right? So ah, penny wise. Throughout this movie, the other thing that I kind of have a beef with an ever talk about is the shaky clown syndrome, and I wish they were more creative with how Pennywise attacked the kids. There are some creative ways that the attacks, but for the most part it’s show fangs run towards the camera very shakily. Yeah, um, there’s, you know, there’s a lot of pensive staring as well. Yeah, but that’s not an attack. That’s just like, I mean, in the in the I think in the book and in the miniseries that it plays more on each kid’s individual fear. Or like there’s something doing unexpected things. There’s some aggressive balloon Ah, chases. Yeah, some balloon advancements. So, like a great scene from the miniseries of the shower scene, where the Pennywise like comes out of the drink, blame ations his hands into the into the drain and widens it. Yeah, yeah, that I don’t know why, but that that seems very specifically sticks with me. As as like being very disturbing. Like I remember as a kid being like Jesus Christ, you just pull the drain open like that. Um, Bev, the girl in this movie is super effective and she is a creep magnet and Ah, yeah. I don’t know how much I can say without incriminating myself. Yeah, Bryce is being very careful with his words. He’s She’s a creep magnet. All right. We’ll just, uh we’ll just say that on Bryce concert here being all creepy. I mean, what what do you What do you think of bed, David? Well, damn. Look at those hot children, David. It’s gonna haunt me until they’ve until I die. Yeah, I mean, she’s She’s very striking her pain. I totally understand why she’d be a creep magnet. Yeah, George, She’s like, I mean, not only attacked by your dad, but there’s, like, a creepy pharmacist That’s super super schlubby. Yeah, this is she, like, takes advantage. There’s a thing that this movie plays on, and, Ah, and they’re not. They don’t shy away from which is there’s something very attractive about a young girl knowing she’s very attractive and using it to her advantage. I mean, not not even that I think she’s just very friendly and very like she is. She’s aware of herself, and I mean, she’s what you call it. She’s flirt, flirtatious, right? She understands the power of flirting. I mean, yeah, so but she’s not like a temptress or something. Oh, yeah? Well, that’s a That’s a pretty thin line. Uh, I mean I mean, you know, So I don’t know. What would you say about a girl? A girl who approaches a pharmacist and is like, Hey, you look with those glasses, You look kind of like Clark Kent. And then when he plays back into her thing in a very creepy way, she’s like, uh, you know, it’s like, Yeah, yes, there’s that. You know, it’s It’s just I mean, if you’re told, like by everyone that you’re a slut and you’ve probably never actually had sex. Well, other than you know what, your dad, rather than the rape, then, yeah, I think you you like, use it to your advantage. Yeah. No, I’m not. I’m not arguing with that. It’s just something that this movie uses very effectively. They don’t show. And then, like, this is probably the most effective portrayal of pre teen sexuality. Sexuality? Yeah, of the girl appearing in the group of boys and the boys are all just like that one scene where she’s sunning herself. You after they go swimming and all the boys were just sitting there, like, just just in awe of this. You know, it’s so this is the ultimate nostalgia because I can, really I mean, this was all of high school for me just being like, Look at those beautiful creatures, Look at them. But don’t go near. Don’t do not approach them because you will scare them away. Your terrible, ugly, ugly face will terrify them, and ill is it’s a completely mysterious force. The the power that an attractive woman can have over a young boy. And they do not have the facility to handle it. There’s like, I’m so glad I have girls because just just looking at they’re so far advanced compared compared to. And I think back on myself and I’m like Jesus Christ, I was ill equipped like I was just just so dopey, you know, And, uh and I mean, I guess everybody’s dopey, and I I’m probably giving too much credit to anybody just because I you know, it says too much about me. But man, that feeling of being ah, young lad with lots of hormones going through me and then just not knowing what to do with my hands. You know, just being like I I got nothing. I just wish I had something, man. Wouldn’t it be great if I had something? And this this movie captures that pretty great in a couple different scenes with the boys Admiring Bev? Yeah. Yeah. And always with respect, you know, you always the way that I remember it. And it’s the other people, the people outside of this group that are perverted and weird, the people who are calling her a slut or a whore or whatever it is, they’re the creepy ones because they view her that way. These kids don’t they respect her. Yeah. I mean, it’s the thing with the With the Losers club is that they’re in awe that she’s around them right, and they don’t want to ruin a good thing. Don’t scare away. But they can’t. They can’t treat her like just one of them because she has this power over them, which I don’t think even women understand what that’s like. They just don’t understand the power or the the energy that’s created from like a young boy. It’s attracted any boy man now, like Yeah, even even now, but especially at that age, just like just barely breaking through puberty, it’s like it is weird. It’s the amount of just confused, conflicted and impressively strong feelings are. Yeah, if you if you think about all the stories that are told are all the myths that Air told over history are mostly to help explain or manage the feelings of that of going through puberty. You have all the superhero stories of of getting new powers like it’s basically explaining that, like all of a sudden, it’s apparent trying really hard not to be too obvious that they’re given the sex talk, right? Like all of a sudden, it’s this extreme source of energy and anxiety and, like impetus, yeah, towards something that you have no no exposure to. All of a sudden, you know exactly what you want as it’s it’s It’s weird, but it’s very, very effective. This is Yeah, this is a movie. Where if you No, never mind. Okay, um, you got you guys could make up your minds about what he was going to say. Uh huh. Okay, I’ll say it. So you know how there’s nothing more creepy about people on Reddit explaining the difference between a feeble file and a pedophile. No, I don’t know. Can you really don’t know if I’ve come across this a couple times? And there’s something very pathetic about it. I don’t understand. Sophie B file is like drawing a difference between a pedophile, which is a kid, someone that’s sexually attracted to young children. And Phoebe File is someone that’s attracted to, like a just barely post pube Essen. Oh, so so kids under age. But like, yeah, like a 14 to 16 year old okay, thing would be in a feeble five. Yeah, contracted to young girls that air. So is people trying to justify their their legal pedophilia. Well, that’s not It’s not even legal. It’s just saying like, this is a different thing and like I mean, right, they’re calling. They’re basically saying like, Yeah, it’s not technically legal, but it makes sense evolutionarily right, which is Yeah, it’s true. But also don’t touch kids. Whatever. I see someone talking about like it’s not pedophilia. It’s a Phoebe Ophelia. I’m like you’re you’re a creep. Yeah, like if if If that’s the if that’s the hill, you’re going to die on the drawing that line, like no one wants to be around you. Sorry. It has nothing to Yeah. So this this movie would be would definitely be a movie where their people be Those people explaining the difference between pedophilia and a fever affiliate. Justo, make them sort of self field. Yeah, and the answer to that is Yes, sure. Evolutionarily. Yeah. There you there. They’re very there. It makes sense evolutionarily, but you know what? It doesn’t make sense. They’re not. They don’t have the capacity to make good decisions because they’re still in their mind. They’re still a kid, right? They got a lot of maturing to do. Like I I’m just barely an adult right now. And I’m 35 I think, in terms of like, brain maturity, it your brain isn’t doesn’t stop growing and developing until, like, you’re 25 like that’s when you reach a point where you can actually make good decisions. Yeah, basically, it’s just everything else is is you actually do not have the ability to make long term decisions, right? And it’s not fair for it’s It’s so creepy and terrible for an adult two, even even to go, You know, essentially prey on, you know, 18 to 23 45 year olds. Yes. It’s just it feels like preying on something because it’s because it is kind of iss. Right? Yeah. Um, not to say that I wouldn’t want to, but it’s wrong, right? I can recognize that. If hemophilia? I don’t know. If so, I’m 37. Like, where is the line for 37 isn’t it? Isn’t there like a like a jokey rule? It’s, like, half your age plus something. Oh, I’m gonna say I’m gonna say the best the best. Like if if you’re measuring the word Best buy youngest that a 37 year old could go for eyes 27 just 10 years off. Yeah, but if you were 40 I would say 29. Okay. You know, Yeah. Uh, there’s there’s such arbitrary lines in the sand, though. I mean, yeah, yeah. Asking the hard questions are movie talked in the research, so you don’t have to. The production design of it 2017 again is really using modern horror tropes of having just super dark and dank apartments and settings like everywhere. Looks like kind of a crack house, but mo the dank the day s O that the dank apartments for Bev and Eddie, um are something that just feels out of Ah, Harmony, Corinne. Film like gum. Oh, okay. Yeah. Um is harmony Corinne? Is that a man? Uh huh. Okay, he’s a weird dude. Yeah, it’s It’s a weird name. It is a very hard named a place where many, Corinne, it might be harmony or Herman. I’m actually not quite sure about that. Um, you know, we do a lot of research for these episodes. Eddie’s mom in particular is like this weird gross hell man character. She’s a cross between, like a Tim and Eric character and a character from gum. Oh, yeah, we’re just gross. Like weird. Strange. She just wearing this dirty windbreaker. And she’s Yeah, she’s kind of like in a fat suit. Almost. Yeah, she’s just strangely overweight. Like greasy. Yeah. Sweaty, sweaty. Yeah, she’s very Tim and Eric that’s dead on. And very Gummo. And, uh, yeah, she’s She’s one of the best parts of this movie. Yeah, and so she’s kind of Munchausen by proxy. She’s, you know, telling Eddie that he’s got all these sicknesses and stuff and got him on all these pills. And then he eventually finds out that they’re all placebos, that there’s actually nothing wrong with What is he column e got a clip when he finds out that the sickness Okay, what what sickness, Mom. These are their bows. That’s probably one of the best wines. Best funny moments of the greater good. He was such a huge, such a well done character. Yeah, so this film really explorers all these, you know, concepts and doesn’t pretty well. There’s lots of jump scares pretty much you could take out from any other modern film. But that doesn’t really well in this film. Two. It’s not super important to talk about the plot other than they’re they’re being attacked by clown and that it’s based on their fear. Eventually, they kind of go on the attack. They go into a haunted house and the well house. Yeah, the well house. And then they’re attacked by Pennywise. And then they don’t succeed. They go into his underground sewage layers, do it. They do it once they attack in just the house, and that’s when Eddie gets his arm broken. And then there’s kind of a montage, the kind of nothing really happens. And then they just go back, Yeah, and then go underground into the sewer system. And that’s where they kind of have their final battle, which is pretty effective. It’s confronting fear. They confront fear and they kind of use, um, them some kid logic. They It’s not as explained as it is in the book about the concept of It’s like using child logic to attack. It’s a damn sight better than the miniseries, let me tell you. But yeah, the danger is, if you want to do it more, Um, if you wanted to do it more like the book, you have to take a lot of exposition, all dialogue to explain it. Yeah, and it just comes off. Not great, right? And and I think I think it doesn’t effective job of basically, you know, portraying that these kids are standing up to what they’re afraid off. You know, the one. The one issue I have with this is is it’s It’s shocking how weak Pennywise is for something that is that he is self described as eternal, you know? Well, yeah, I mean, it’s it’s that’s The thing is that he’s weak because they don’t fear him right anymore. And so they’re on the attack, and that’s like the power and he still menacing while they’re attacking. But it’s just he’s not effective. And fear comes back every 30 years, right? So and what is that? That’s about a cycle of a generation. So every time you have a new generation born, you have fear reborn. So I think, yeah, I think it I mean, it probably makes a lot more sense in the book. It’s and it makes a decent amount of sense in 2017. But the minister is pretty lacking. Um, there could see posts. There is a rose. Let me see it. And then they attacked him. And then Pennywise kind of start disintegrating. It’s cool. It’s really cool. Every time he gets hurt, his blood floats. Yeah, it floats up, which is super neat. And then also yeah, his layer where it shows all the kids floating because they make a big deal of like we all float down here. And that is probably the one of the coolest visuals. Is this giant stack of dead bodies and live bodies that are floating around in the air like they’re zero gravity float, float, float, float, float, float. That’s what we should do when we go to see Chapter two. We should get in the theater and right before you know right is the starting credits are rolling. Would be like starting champion, float, float, float, float and everybody behind. We let flow flow or probably just be us sand flow. We could try to do it like the Mighty Ducks, where someone that just goes float, float, float, float, float, float, float, float, float, float, float, float, float, float, float, float. Yeah, and then we will get the whole get the whole theater to do. It’ll be great. It’ll work out exactly as we imagined in our heads. We’ll put it on Instagram if we can figure out how to use it. Yeah, you should video Bryce. We can’t be those people. We can’t be the old people who don’t know how to use the new stuff you have aware. So they they finally kind of defeat Pennywise and it it feels like this could be just a self contained movie. If it didn’t work out, this would have been like a fine, self contained movie. They don’t necessarily need the sequel. And, to be honest, like the kid’s stuff is way more interesting than the adult side of it. So I’m kind of curious what they’re going to do with Chapter two. It’s got a great cast, so it’s got all the pieces that they need. So but we’ll see. Um, attack him. Pennywise kind of disintegrates. And then he says, Kind of an on the nose final Goodbye. Which is there? All right, we get it. Ah, so yeah, that’s that’s it. There’s probably some more so we could talk about, but that’s the main points that I wanted it cover. So what’s the What’s the final recommendation for it, man? Definitely. See it. You should see it if you haven’t seen it yet to prepare for chapter two. Yeah. Um, it sze cheap, like four bucks on to rent. It’s a high quality. Well done. Really disturbing. Um, more movie like solid, solid horror movie that I mean, I If that sounds terrible to you, it is for you. If it sounds great to you, it’s gonna be pretty great. And if you haven’t seen it, what the heck you doing? Spin out for two years? So shall we do? Let’s just let’s do tagline years. Tagline. Um, lines is a game where we come up with alternate taglines for the movie. We are reviewing that. I think you’re better student VfL. You want to go first? You want me to go? Sure. I’ll go first. Minor. Bad way. Always say that, but it always pulls through it. 2017 Making horror. Pito again? I used to be kind of paedo it. 2017 God damn! Look at those hot children. No raping This is my treat. Okay, go ahead. My 2nd 1 is a clip that we have queued up. This is from the Simpsons. When Homer can’t stop thinking about that billboard he saw four clown college thesis action you’re supposed to be monitoring is on fire. Funny clowns are scary. Ah, it Stephen King’s classic without the weird sex stuff. But a little bit of Okay, My third is a follow up clip from The Simpsons where Homer is crafting a circus tent out of mashed potatoes at the family dinner. That’s the match. But ma’am, don’t have someone. Theo. Theo, You people have stood in my way long enough. I’m going to clone college. I don’t think any of us expected him to say that. That was my exact reaction in this movie. I’m going to clown College 2017 like, stand by me, But with more arms being ripped off. Yeah. Yeah. At least one more. Next, we’re gonna be talking with David’s wife. But her reaction to horror porn? Oh, yeah. She she wasn’t It wasn’t a big fan. We’ll have to let her tell the story. Yeah, we’ll let her tell the story. So here we go. And Ah, Okay. So set the scene for me. You’re listening. Does David come to you with the episode and say you have to listen to the horror porn, or you like natural listening to it. So, um, he told me about the idea and the very beginning, and I got very excited about it because I’m a huge Howard Stern fan, a huge Howard Stern fan, And they do this type of stuff all the time on the show, and I always play along with it. And so, uh, he let me listen to it, uh, before you guys put it out. I got a sneak preview, right. It’s one of the perks of being married to someone in harmony is very exciting. And so, uh, first of all, I couldn’t hear. I mean, it was on his computer, the it was going through his headphones, so I didn’t hear, like, full on everything. You didn’t have the hip bones on. No, I didn’t have him on. Oh, okay. He just turned up the volume really large. Very David. Um, and I got into it in the beginning, and then it was when he got to the hocus pocus form. And then I realized you’re bullshitting me. Thing isn’t really And I got very angry. Whoa. Bullshitting you. In what sense? Because I thought it was really I get really? So on the stern Show that it Israel that was Don’t you remember hocus pocus? Stop it. What? See, I just don’t understand your reaction on the Stern show. The last time they did one of these, it was like, um, they would play a clip of somebody giving a speech at an award show, and then you had to guess whether or not it was the at the Emmys. That the person was giving the speech for or if it was at the adult video awards, Okay. And it was awesome because you’d have people up there being like, I just want to make all the ladies in this category for all their hard work and be like, Oh, that. And then Robin on the show would guess what? Itwas it all gas. And then to be like, it was the adult video for them. So anyways, I just That was not authentic. Once I realized it was old joke. I mean, it was funny. No, no, it was I mean, it was really funny photos, mostly because it was unexpected because I didn’t remember those parts. I mean, after the episode, I mean, he showed me all the clips. It was totally legit. Like those air definitely debt. You men go back to hocus pocus. I mean, out of context. It seems like no way that couldn’t be from hocus pocus, but I mean it is No, it’s not. David didn’t show you the clips. You’re messing with me. So you’re angry at David was very angry and I told him that he shouldn’t play that e j headed it out because other people were playing along and would get mad. Ah, you don’t know how delighted. You probably do know how delighted David was at that reaction. Yeah, because it’s better than he could have ever expected it to go. What? You made me even angry. All right, well, it’s not for everyone. Well, we’re going to do it again. This this episode. But we didn’t have time. We’ll probably do it on chapter two. We’ll see how it goes. Maybe maybe you’ll win this time. Okay. Thanks for stopping by care. Thank you. That was hilarious. Okay, what a delightful anecdote. You crazy, crazy lady. So that’s horror movie talk for this week. Thanks for listening. And again, go check out horror movie talk dot com. 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One of the features of this film is the weird soundtrack. It’s an amalgamation of 80’s pop music juxtaposed with an atmospheric electronic score. Which would be fine, but when you see a young black man absolutely rocking to an INXS song, it tends to distract.

The Opening

The opening of the film features the main character, Mia, played by Sophie Nélisse, being pushed into a pool by some stereotypical mean girls.

The setting is in Mexico on the Yucatan peninsula, but there is nary a Mexican to be seen, nor Spanish to be uttered. This is one of the many things in the movie that never get explained.

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We find out that Mia’s Sister Sasha, played by Corrine Foxx, isn’t a big fan of Mia, because reasons.

Their dad is an underwater archaeologist(?) that just made a new discovery. He can’t spend time with Mia because he needs to set up the new site, so he gets them tickets to a glass bottom boat ride to see sharks feed.

A Fateful Decision

Mia and Corrine ditch the boat ride with the mean girls and instead go with two of Sasha’s friends, Alexa (Brianne Tju) and Nicole (Sistine Rose Stallone) to a secret lake.

They discover scuba equipment meant for the archaelogist and decide to dive to see the sunken Mayan City.

Why is the Mayan City under 47 Meters of water, you ask? Don’t!

Albino Shark Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo…

The Mayan City is barely explored by the girls or the script before they start getting eaten by giant blind albino great white sharks.

Mostly the people that get eaten are the ones that the girls meet at regular intervals. Finally when they find Mia’s father, he takes them to the surface and shows them a rope to climb up.

The sharks show up soon after and start attacking before the first girl can climb up. When Corrine tries to clambor up,the rope breaks.

Pause.

The rope breaks from the weight of two skinny teen girls.

This is the caliber of script we are dealing with.

The Ending of 47 Meters Down: Uncaged Explained

The film ends with Mia and Sasha, the last survivors, finding their way to the glass bottom boat and getting saved. But not before getting bitten by regular, non-albino great white sharks. Mia, in a constructed badass moment, stabs the shark biting her with a sharks tooth she was carrying.

In an attempt to communicate a non-existent character arch, Mia shares a look with the lead mean girl. But the moment carries the same amount of gravity as a feather on the moon.

Chronology of Paranormal Activity and Paranormal Activity 2

If you’ve seen Paranormal Activity, you should know what to expect from the sequel. There aren’t many surprises in the overarching plot. The family sets up a bunch of cameras and they are increasingly haunted by a demon presence.

The differences are small between the two films, but this film does introduce some great gimmicks.

To start out, we should establish the timeline of the two films. The events of the film start out a year before the events in Paranormal Activity 1. The opening sequence is a series of family videos right before and after their son Hunter is born.

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The film then jumps forward to two months before PA1, and it shows a video of them documenting damage to their house for an insurance claim. This gives them a great excuse to set up security cameras around the house.

The security cameras document the family tormented by a demon for several days and in the end, Kristi through a ritual, transfers the demon over to her sister Katie (from the first film.

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The events of the first movie happen off screen and then Paranormal Activity 2 ends with Katie appearing in Kristi’s house, now possessed by the demon, and kills everyone except Hunter.

Elements that work in Paranormal Activity 2

“The sound” is one of the best things about the Paranormal Activity franchise. The low rumble that communicates the presence of a demon makes even plain shots of an empty room dreadful.

They up the stakes in this film in a couple of ways. They include:

• Abbie the dog
• A weirdly compelling pool
• More cameras
• More skepticism
• More background story
• More people