In part two of this fascinating conversation, Corey and Kendall continue their discussion with Mathias Clasen and Marc Malmdorf Andersen from Aarhus University’s Recreational Fear Lab. Building on part one, the conversation dives deeper into the psychological and social dimensions of horror, revealing how fear can serve as a tool for personal growth and community building.

The Science of Fear: Why We Love to Be Afraid

Mathias and Marc share insights from their groundbreaking studies, including research conducted at haunted attractions, the psychology of horror conventions, and the resilience-building power of fear. Together, they explore how horror transcends entertainment to become a meaningful part of our lives.

Key Topics Discussed:

• The origins and mission of the Recreational Fear Lab and its annual studies at haunted houses.
• How fear is used to foster play and curiosity in children and adults.
• The moral framework of horror films and how they reinforce pro-social values.
• The social bonding power of horror conventions and why they’re a happy place for many fans.
• The surprising role of horror in helping people manage anxiety and stress.
• Why fans love the "final girl" trope and how it symbolizes resilience.

Key Takeaways:

• The Recreational Fear Lab is leading the way in understanding how playful fear benefits mental health and emotional regulation.
• Horror conventions offer a unique sense of community, where fans can connect over shared interests and find acceptance.
• Horror films provide a safe space to explore fear, helping viewers build resilience to real-world challenges.

Quotable Moments:

1. Mathias Clasen: "The Recreational Fear Lab is about studying fear as something positive—something that entertains, engages, and even heals."
2. Marc Malmdorf Andersen: "We’ve found that the same curiosity driving children’s play also draws people to horror, making it an important part of their development."
3. Corey: "Horror conventions are the happiest place on Earth—forget Disney World!"

Resources Mentioned:

• Recreational Fear Lab at Aarhus University: Explore their latest research here.
• Mathias Clasen’s books: Why Horror Seduces and A Very Nervous Person's Guide to Horror Movies.
• Marc Malmdorf Andersen’s studies on play, curiosity, and fear.

Episode Summary:

In this first of a two-part conversation, Corey and Kendall are joined by Mathias Clasen and Marc Malmdorf Andersen, two leading scholars from Aarhus University in Denmark. Together, they delve into the fascinating ways horror movies and other forms of recreational fear impact our mental health. From haunted attraction studies to the psychology behind why we love slasher films, this episode unpacks the stigma surrounding horror and explores its surprising benefits.

Fear Factor: The Psychology and Science Behind Thrills

Key Topics Discussed:

Mathias Clasen's work at the Recreational Fear Lab and the science behind why we enjoy fear.

Marc Malmdorf Andersen’s research into play, curiosity, and learning—and how it connects to horror fandom.

The psychological and physical benefits of engaging with horror, including improved emotional regulation and stress relief.

Why horror films might help us build resilience, particularly during crises like the COVID-19 pandemic.

How horror conventions foster community, inclusivity, and mental wellness among fans.

Early findings on the role of fear in children’s development and how young people embrace recreational fear.

Key Takeaways:

Horror fans often exhibit greater emotional resilience and stress management skills.

Watching horror movies may act as "training" for dealing with fear and anxiety.

The social aspect of horror culture—conventions, cosplaying, and fandom—can provide a sense of belonging and community.

Quotable Moments:

"Horror movies aren’t just entertainment—they're tools for exploring fear in a safe and controlled environment."

"Children and adults alike crave novelty and curiosity, and horror taps into that in powerful ways."

"At its core, horror helps us escape reality while making us more resilient in facing life’s stressors."

Resources Mentioned:

Mathias Clasen’s book, Why Horror Seduces (2017).

Marc Malmdorf Andersen’s research on the cognitive science of play.

Studies on recreational fear conducted at the Recreational Fear Lab in Denmark.

What’s Next?

Part two of this episode drops on Thanksgiving! Tune in as Corey, Kendall, Mathias, and Marc dive into how horror conventions foster community, the psychology of the "final girl" trope, and what’s next in the world of horror and healing.

In this episode of Horror Heals, Corey and Kendall welcome Eisner Award-nominated horror comic book writer Jim Ousley. From his love of Universal monster movies to creating stories that tackle societal issues, Jim takes us on a journey through his lifelong connection to horror, comics, and the creative process. The episode explores the intersection of horror, healing, and humor, with anecdotes from Jim and Corey’s time in a sketch comedy troupe, insights into the dynamics of horror conventions, and the profound impact of art on personal and societal healing.

From Shy Kid to Eisner Nominee: The Healing Power of Monsters

Jim also teases his upcoming appearances at the Days of the Dead Horror Convention in Chicago, where he’ll be showcasing Butcher Queen Vol. 2 - Planet of the Dead. Plus, Corey reminisces about Jim’s unforgettable performance in the comedy sketch Bye-sie Bye!

Key Themes and Topics:

The Early Days of Horror Love:

• Jim’s childhood fascination with classic Universal monster movies.
• How the themes of being an “odd man out” resonated with his own experiences of shyness and bullying.
• The role of horror as a gateway to kinship and self-discovery.

Horror and Community:

• The camaraderie and acceptance found at horror conventions.
• The difference between fandom in-person versus online spaces.
• Why conventions are a safe space where cultural divides and prejudices disappear.

Comedy Meets Horror:

• Corey and Jim’s time in the Non-Prophets comedy troupe and the hilarious sketch Bye-sie Bye!
• The shared DNA of horror and comedy—both thrive on timing, tension, and emotional release.

Creating Stories That Matter:

• Jim’s journey from lyricist and music writer to horror comic book creator.
• How projects like The Atonement Bell reflect his personal experiences with societal and cultural divides in St. Louis.
• The importance of balancing fun and social commentary in horror stories.

Upcoming Work and Convention Appearance:

• Jim teases a new comic project inspired by family dynamics and memories of his mother.
• His excitement for showcasing Butcher Queen Vol. 2 at the Days of the Dead Convention in Chicago.

The Power of Art in Healing:

• How creativity can illuminate societal issues and foster understanding.
• Jim’s perspective on using horror to process pain, connect with others, and inspire change.

Why Should You Tune In?

This episode dives deep into the healing potential of horror and the magic of fandoms, offering relatable and heartfelt insights for anyone who has ever felt like an outsider. Whether you're a horror enthusiast, a comic book fan, or simply someone who finds comfort in creative expression, Jim’s story will resonate. Plus, his behind-the-scenes look at crafting horror comics and navigating conventions is a treat for fans of the genre.

Jim’s personal anecdotes and thought-provoking reflections make this a must-listen. Stick around for Corey’s and Jim’s nostalgic comedy memories, Kendall’s heartfelt observations, and Jim’s pick for an underrated final girl: Jess from Black Christmas!

In this episode of Horror Heals, Corey and Kendall sit down with Bram Stoker Award-winning novelist Hailey Piper to explore the transformative power of horror. Hailey delves into how horror helps us process despair, build emotional resilience, and find catharsis. She discusses her latest novel, All the Hearts You Eat, a haunting tale of ghosts, vampires, and dark secrets set in a small Massachusetts town. The conversation spans her love of monsters, the creative process, and why queer representation in horror matters.

Listeners will also get an inside look at her viral novel Queen of Teeth and the surprising reactions it’s garnered—from sheer terror to unexpected sweetness. Don’t miss her thoughts on why Kirsty from Hellraiser is the ultimate final girl, the impact of horror on mental health, and what’s next for this rising star of the genre.

From Vagina Monsters to Vampires: Hailey Piper’s Horror Healing Journey

Highlights:

• 00:06 – Hailey Piper introduces herself and discusses the emotional depth of horror.

• 03:17 – The catharsis of despair and hope in horror stories.

• 08:55 – Monsters as metaphors for feeling like an outsider.

• 15:48 – The delicate balance of adapting books into films.

• 27:51 – Hailey’s viral hit Queen of Teeth and its blend of horror, humor, and romance.

• 30:56 – Hailey’s favorite final girl and why Kirsty from Hellraiser takes the crown.

Links:

• Hailey Piper’s Website

• All the Hearts You Eat – Purchase Now

• Follow Hailey Piper on Instagram

In this episode of Horror Heals, Corey and Kendall welcome Catherine Bonetti, the artist behind Devil Eyed Dumplings, whose passion for horror and craft merges into eerily beautiful creations. Catherine shares her journey into horror art, tracing her fascination back to her family’s history in costume design for Hollywood classics. From family lore to her own creative expressions, Catherine dives into how her horror-inspired dolls have become both an outlet for her emotions and a connection to her community.

Topics Covered:

• Catherine’s family history in Hollywood costume design and its influence on her horror interest
• The evolution of Devil Eyed Dumplings and how it began with a Halloween costume idea
• The therapeutic aspect of creating horror art and how it helps with her social anxiety
• Challenges of sharing a “creepy” hobby in a world that doesn’t always understand horror fans
• Collecting dolls from estate sales and rehoming them with horror makeovers
• Memorable fan reactions, stories of haunted dolls, and interactions at horror conventions
• Catherine’s charitable side, with raffle dolls benefiting children’s literacy programs
• Her dream to meet Robert the Doll, and reflections on her favorite horror movies and final girls

Notable Quotes:

• "When I paint these dolls, it feels good. It’s my anxiety finding a home outside of me."
• "You find your people in the horror community, and suddenly, you’re not so weird anymore."
• "There’s something so creepy and cathartic about creating something beautiful out of something horrific."

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In this episode of Horror Heals, Corey and Kendall dive into a conversation with Zak from Death Comes Lifting – a one-of-a-kind gym that combines horror, punk rock, and heavy metal with fitness and mental wellness. Zak’s mission? To create a judgment-free space where horror fans, metalheads, and self-proclaimed misfits can feel comfortable, get fit, and take charge of their mental health. From sharing stories of transformations to the reasons behind his fitness journey, Zak explains how physical wellness impacts mental wellness and why Death Comes Lifting has become a safe haven for the 'Lifting Dead Army' – his community of horror-loving gym members.

Death Comes Lifting is Where Horror Meets Health

Death Comes Lifting's Mission: Death Comes Lifting is a multimedia health & wellness universe that creates original clothing, content, podcasts, playlists, monsters, music, motivation, workouts, and weirdness in order to foster & serve a community in which physical, mental, and spiritual well-being can Lift alongside the the strange & deranged. We are Fitness For The Misfits. Welcome to The Lifting Dead Army.

“Death Comes Lifting: The Gym Built for Horror Fans – You Can’t Skip This!”

• Zak shares the origins of Death Comes Lifting, starting from its humble beginnings as a clothing brand for horror cons to its evolution into a fully functional gym.
• Discover how Zak’s journey to fitness grew out of his love for horror culture and his desire to help others, especially those who never felt at home in traditional fitness spaces.

“Why Horror and Fitness Go Hand-in-Hand – Don’t Miss This Perspective!”

• Zak explains his philosophy: taking care of your physical health has a powerful impact on mental wellness, and vice versa.
• We explore how he’s challenging the stereotype that horror fans don’t care about health – in fact, he’s showing that you can embrace the macabre and still be physically and mentally strong.

“A Horror Gym Community Unlike Any Other: The Lifting Dead Army”

• Zak’s 'Lifting Dead Army' isn’t just about lifting weights – it’s about lifting spirits. He shares stories of members who’ve transformed, including a friend who lost 100 pounds and reclaimed his health.
• For Zak, success isn’t just opening a gym; it’s creating a community where horror fans can support one another, get healthier, and feel like they belong.

“Breaking the Stigma: Fitness for Horror Fans is Hardcore – And Here’s Why You’ll Love It”

• Zak discusses the stigma surrounding fitness and horror fans, the stereotypes of “douchebag gym bros,” and why he’s dedicated to showing his community that fitness can be for everyone.
• Hear how he brings humor, horror culture, and authenticity to fitness, proving that being healthy doesn’t mean giving up on the things you love – it just means finding a balance that works for you.

“Virtual Training with a Twist: The ‘Lifting Dead Army’ Goes Digital!”

• Learn how Zak turned the challenges of the pandemic into an opportunity to connect with his community through virtual fitness classes on Patreon.
• His online platform features yoga, workout videos, and more – all infused with Zak’s unique humor and horror-themed style – so horror fans worldwide can join in.

“Horror as Therapy – Escaping Real Life Through the Dark”

• Zak shares how horror was an escape from a tough childhood and how he’s now helping others use horror as a way to process trauma, build resilience, and tackle real-world struggles.
• Corey and Kendall discuss why horror can be therapeutic, helping fans deal with darkness in healthy...

In the second half of our conversation with horror icon Debbie Rochon, Corey and Kendall Stulce dive into Debbie’s storied career with Troma Entertainment and her collaborations with the legendary Lloyd Kaufman. Debbie shares fascinating anecdotes from her work in the '90s with Troma, starting with her early roles, promotional events, and her journey from quirky cameos to memorable lead roles. She highlights the absurdist and extreme style unique to Troma films, touching on the challenges and joy of balancing realism with over-the-top horror comedy.

Debbie Rochon: Embracing Horror and Aging Gracefully in the Troma Universe

Debbie discusses her latest project, The Power of Positive Murder, a noir film by Lloyd that is strikingly different from past Troma works. Filmed in black and white, this movie blends Troma’s trademark outrageousness with a stunning classic aesthetic that has pushed the limits of her acting. Debbie opens up about the special message she received from Lloyd—a heartfelt acknowledgment of her role—that she describes as one of the most meaningful gestures in her decades-long career.

The discussion moves into the age-positive culture within the horror community, which Debbie appreciates for its openness to actors of all ages. Corey and Kendall reflect on how horror fans embrace beloved actors regardless of age, pointing to icons like Kathy Bates and Betsy Palmer as inspirations. Debbie talks about Model Hunger, a film that celebrates older actresses and showcases their depth and intensity, something she feels the horror genre uniquely supports.

Debbie also reflects on her multi-faceted career: acting, directing, writing, and even experimenting with practical effects and bloodwork on set. Her advice for up-and-coming actors is to embrace versatility, explore different aspects of the industry, and maintain a healthy ego for longevity.

Key Topics Covered:

• History with Troma and Lloyd Kaufman
• Debbie’s journey with Troma began in 1992, where she started by doing promotional artwork for VHS releases. She recalls filming early projects like Tromeo and Juliet, and participating in international cable bumpers that gave Troma worldwide exposure. Debbie fondly recounts the absurd antics of Troma’s early years, including her recent role in The Power of Positive Murder and the unique challenge of shooting in noir style.
• The Power of Positive Murder
• Debbie describes this new film as a bold, genre-defying Troma movie that combines outrageous comedy with noir elegance. With a stunning visual homage to classic cinema, Debbie explains how each department—lighting, makeup, and art—elevated the project, creating a one-of-a-kind horror experience.
• Age Inclusivity in Horror
• Debbie and the hosts discuss the supportive and age-inclusive nature of horror fandom, which she deeply values. Horror fans are loyal to their favorite actors, celebrating them well into their later years. She praises the community’s willingness to champion veteran actors like Kathy Bates, Lynn Lowry, and Jessica Lange, whose performances often gain depth with age.
• Career Longevity in Horror
• Debbie’s advice to younger actors is to explore all aspects of filmmaking, from acting and directing to writing and production. The horror genre has offered her diverse opportunities, and she encourages actors to stay open to new roles, skills, and collaborations. This flexibility has been key to her resilience and continued success in a notoriously competitive industry.
• Debbie’s Favorite Final Character in Horror
• Breaking tradition, Debbie picks the unconventional answer of John Kramer (Jigsaw) from Saw as her favorite final character. She admires his complex showmanship and commitment to his deadly “craft,”...

In this unforgettable episode of Horror Heals, Corey dives deep into the life and career of horror icon Debbie Rochon. Known for her legendary roles in horror, Debbie opens up about her real-life horror story—an on-set accident with a prop machete that nearly severed four fingers on her right hand. Through extensive surgeries, physical therapy, and sheer determination, Debbie managed to regain partial use of her hand, embodying resilience both on and off the screen.

But that’s just the beginning. Corey also explores Debbie’s relationships with other horror icons like Brinke Stevens, Joe Spinell, and Will Keenan, who recently faced a devastating attack for wearing a COVID mask, resulting in permanent blindness in one eye. As we learn from Debbie’s experiences, horror isn’t just about scares; it’s about community, resilience, and healing.

In this first part of a two-part episode, Debbie reveals the strength it takes to keep going in the face of real-life terror, what it’s like to recover from trauma, and how horror has been her anchor through it all.

Blood, Guts, and Resilience: Debbie Rochon on Healing Through Horror

Key Episode Highlights:

• The Real-Life Horror of Debbie Rochon’s Machete Accident: Discover how a prop accident nearly cost Debbie four fingers and the incredible recovery journey that followed.
• Behind the Scenes with Horror Icons: Debbie shares stories about her friendships and experiences with legends like Brinke Stevens and Joe Spinell, offering an inside look into the horror industry’s close-knit community.
• Will Keenan’s Real-World Horror: Learn about Will’s recent attack and the community’s support—a powerful reminder that horror fans and creators rally together both on and off the screen.
• Why Horror Isn’t Just for Scares: Debbie explains how horror has been a source of healing, helping her and countless others process trauma, confront fears, and find a place in the community.
• The Emotional Side of Recovery: Beyond the physical scars, Debbie discusses the emotional healing process after her injury and how horror provided an outlet and a way to cope.

Episode Takeaways:

• Horror can be a powerful tool for healing, offering ways to process trauma, confront fear, and find community.
• Even the toughest among us, like Debbie Rochon, face real-world challenges and discover strength in the horror community.
• The horror industry’s support network is strong and real, standing behind creators and fans alike in times of crisis.

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In this continuation of Horror Heals, Corey and Dave dive deeper into the Monster-Mania community—unpacking the heart and soul behind the horror convention scene. Dave shares his approach to fostering a family-like atmosphere, highlighting how the Monster Mania team creates a space where horror fans, introverts, and everyone in between feel at home. From the staff’s commitment to helping attendees feel comfortable, to the incredible volunteer network, and to Dave’s personal stories of creating a convention legacy that spans generations, this episode unveils the true power of horror to heal, connect, and leave a lasting impact.

Generations of Scares and Smiles: Monster-Mania's Lasting Legacy

pisode Highlights

• Building the Monster-Mania Family
• Dave discusses the philosophy behind recruiting and nurturing his volunteer staff, creating a safe, welcoming space for both staff and attendees alike.
• A Supportive Community Beyond the Scares
• From staff members recovering from hardships to attendees with personal connections to horror, Monster-Mania has become a family-like support system where everyone is welcomed and understood.
• Generations of Fans and Families
• With fans who have attended for years, some even bringing their own children now, Monster Mania has become a treasured tradition passed down through generations.
• The Legacy of Horror and Wellness
• Reflecting on the power of horror conventions to provide relief and reduce anxiety, Dave and Corey discuss how Monster-Mania has impacted fans and given horror lovers a place to belong.
• Desert Island Horror Flicks and Final Girls
• Dave shares his favorite horror films, his love for the character Nancy Thompson from A Nightmare on Elm Street, and the impact of the Exorcist films on his life.

Experience Monster-Mania for Yourself!

Don’t miss out on the chance to see why fans come back year after year. Book your spot for the next Monster-Mania and join the family!

Key Takeaways

• The Power of Kindness
• Dave emphasizes the importance of creating a positive, supportive environment at Monster-Mania, and how kindness can transform the convention experience.
• Monster-Mania: A Family Legacy
• With multiple generations attending together, Monster-Mania has become more than just an event; it’s a cherished family tradition.
• Creating Lasting Connections
• From helping staff members through difficult times to fans forming lifelong friendships, Monster-Mania proves that horror can truly heal and connect people.

In this exciting episode of Horror Heals, Corey Stulce dives deep with the legendary Dave Hagan, founder of the iconic Monster-Mania convention—a haven for horror fans worldwide. From heartfelt memories of watching double-feature horror films with his father, to the humble origins and incredible growth of Monster-Mania, Dave shares what makes this convention uniquely personal and enduring. Monster-Mania isn’t just a con; it’s a tribute to Dave’s late father, a sanctuary for horror enthusiasts, and a place where fans become family.

How Monster-Mania Makes Horror a Safe Haven

A Dedication to Family

Dave Hagan shares how Monster-Mania is a lifelong tribute to his father, whose love for horror films inspired Dave to create a space where fans feel seen, understood, and embraced.

Creating a Horror Haven

Hear how Dave’s introverted personality shaped Monster-Mania's welcoming vibe, making it a space for introverts and horror lovers to connect without judgment.

From Fandom to Family

Corey and Dave bond over the transformative power of horror conventions, with Corey sharing personal moments from attending Monster-Mania that inspired the Horror Heals podcast.

Epic Fan Moments

From falling off the stage to a fire marshal’s intervention, Dave reveals behind-the-scenes chaos and how fans turned even the wildest moments into cherished memories.

Monster Mania’s Unlikely Love Stories

The convention has sparked countless friendships, relationships, and unforgettable memories among horror lovers.

Notable Quotes

Dave Hagan: “The shows have always been and always will be a dedication to my dad… Sundays in a movie theater with him were as close to heaven as I could get.”

Corey Stulce: “Horror movies are something that Kendall and I first bonded over when we started dating, like this mutual love of horror…finding kinship with those characters because they’re outsiders, just like us.”

Key Takeaways

• The Power of Community
• Monster Mania isn’t just a horror convention—it’s a welcoming, accepting space for those who may feel out of place elsewhere. Dave shares stories that show how horror unites people.
• Mental Wellness Through Horror
• Corey and Dave discuss the unspoken bond horror fans share, particularly for those who identify as introverts or feel like outsiders in other spaces. This convention and genre offer a comforting community where everyone belongs.
• Legacy in Every Detail
• Dave’s fatherly dedication shows in every Monster Mania detail. From hosting costume contests to mingling with fans, he has turned Monster Mania into a true community celebration.

Don’t Miss Out on the Next Part of Dave Hagan’s Story

Curious about what it takes to keep the horror community alive and thriving? Join us next time as Dave shares the ongoing evolution of Monster Mania and how they keep fans coming back year after year.